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I'm going to make a post here simply to appeal to your rationality. I'm also going to be nice and polite about it, so this is in no way a flame so don't take it as such.

I think the whole anti "art-theft" thing that's happening on DeviantArt and other on-line communities is nothing more than a ridiculous witch hunt.

If you look up "art theft" on Google, you'll be inundated with news reports about folks actually stealing works of art, and not copying them or recolouring them. The Rotten.com library even has an entry about art theft, which you can read here:

[link] (Don't worry, there's no vile imagery on this page and it's work-safe. The rest of the site is pretty much not work safe, so just fair warning.)

Real art thieves are folks who want to take an actual physical piece of art and make it their own. It's a lot like being a comic book or trading card collector but on a much, much larger scale. There's Da Vincis, Michaelangelos, Van Djiks, and Holbeins that are in some rich man's basement that the world can't see right now because they want it all to themselves.

What you consider art theft can't be defined that easy. I've seen folks who have pointed out legitimate cases of tracing or re-colouring, but the majority of the accusations have been because a character just seems to resemble another character too closely, or the pose or composition of the work seems to be a copy of another.

Here's the facts of the whole matter: If someone traces your artwork, or copies your composition, or takes your character and draws it for themselves, or recolours what you've drawn, or even if they take your artwork and paint a mustache on it and paste it up claiming it's theirs, that is _not_ art theft. Having a similar composition or pose is most definately not art theft, either. Art is the form of expression, nothing more and nothing less. There is no limits on what someone can or can't do when they wish to make an expression.

From a legal standpoint, you have nothing to work with either. Copyright litigation is a long, hard, and very expensive affair. If the defendant throws out the whole fair use/parody plea, your ship is sunk.

Finally, suppose someone does copy your artwork. I don't know about you, but I'd be flattered. That's telling me that someone likes what I do so much that they they're trying to imitate me. I should point out for the record here that I have had folks copy my art[1], for benevolent and flat-out mean reasons. I encourage them to continue because that's just another baby-step into the fun world of art.

Instead of attacking these individuals you see as a threat, why don't you positively encourage them to take the next step and attempt to be original? Art is all about growth and expression, and creating a vigilante club to go publicly humiliate these folks simply isn't the way to do it.


Footnotes:
[1] I love to draw and interperet the world around me. I don't copy other folk's work, if that's what you're wondering. And yes, people have taken my artwork and claimed it as their own. So what.
[2] I don't host any of my art on DA, yet. Perhaps I will, eventually. Right now I'm going to enjoy the anonymity.

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Thank you for your notice and I do not take this as a flame whatsoever. However, this certain club has been created for most artist just have toknow that there are theives around us. This is made to try and convince people to avoid stealing other pieces. I understand your point about a wicth hunt But I assure you assure you that we are doing no such thing.

We simply want to let our members know about this theif and try to at least help ban the theif or just change the theif's point of view in stealing. Though sometimes, most of the times, our members get very nasty and that somehow causes them to get banned mementarily. We have stated a warning not to get to brutal in one of our jernal entries, but now I know I have to make it a little more strict.

Our journal entries may have been announcing these certain theives in a little brutal nature, so because of your notcie, we shall change our cource of language and make sure that our announcments are not very... "rude"

Once again, thank you for this notice and I hope this reply will not cause conflicts of any kind.

Thank you.

If you would like to make announcments or rants you are free to send it to us and we'll gladly post them here :)

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I really dont like art thieves, and this club seems like a great idea to discourage them.

It's just that one thing bothers me about this club. It's like, completely irrational. I am just being a very picky person.

"theives" is actually "thieves."

I know that it's actually a very small thing and that plenty of people make this mistake...and don't care that they do, but come on. This word happens to be in the club's name.

And is actually the whole point of this club.

I know you can't really fix it, and I see that no one has been moderating this club since...forever, but whatever.

Just so that if you happen to just check up on this club one day, you can see this comment and then know the proper spelling to use in the future.

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"We simply want to let our members know about this theif and try to at least help ban the theif or just change the theif's point of view in stealing. "

With that, you have defined the purpose of "anti-art-thieves" and re-iterated my whole problem with this community.

Why have them banned? That doesn't solve the problem, at best it sends a message to them that having the simple desire to be artistic is wanting to be a part of a very exclusive club with strict rules and a hierarchy. That's not the world of art, by a longshot. Art does not have rules, and it does not have a hierarchy. Art is EXPRESSION, and nothing more.

If someone sees your artwork, and likes it enough to think that they could visualize it better (or to suit them), that's not theft, by any means! The result is you've enticed them explore their creativity and this is their first step. They're basically using your example to explore creativity.

If you assault them with accusations and threats and a ban, that just sends a very negative message to the supposed "art theif", and most likely they'll walk away from this experience as either someone who has become apathetic or your enemy.

Suppose you approached these individuals in a different manner. Tell them that you noticed that they copied your artwork, and then encourage them to take the next bold step by educating themselves by practicing, learning, and drawing for themselves. Take the higher ground and be a positive influence... and that's all I have to say about that.
I respect your thoughs, though that will remain with you. Think what you wish of this club or for me, since I started this, do whatever you wish, but I respectfully say that we all have our own point of view. Like I said before, I do not wish to cause conflicts and therefore, will end the the message. Thank you for your time.
I'm going to make a post here simply to appeal to your rationality. I'm also going to be nice and polite about it, so this is in no way a flame so don't take it as such.

I think the whole anti "art-theft" thing that's happening on DeviantArt and other on-line communities is nothing more than a ridiculous witch hunt.

If you look up "art theft" on Google, you'll be inundated with news reports about folks actually stealing works of art, and not copying them or recolouring them. The Rotten.com library even has an entry about art theft, which you can read here:

[link] (Don't worry, there's no vile imagery on this page and it's work-safe. The rest of the site is pretty much not work safe, so just fair warning.)

Real art thieves are folks who want to take an actual physical piece of art and make it their own. It's a lot like being a comic book or trading card collector but on a much, much larger scale. There's Da Vincis, Michaelangelos, Van Djiks, and Holbeins that are in some rich man's basement that the world can't see right now because they want it all to themselves.

What you consider art theft can't be defined that easy. I've seen folks who have pointed out legitimate cases of tracing or re-colouring, but the majority of the accusations have been because a character just seems to resemble another character too closely, or the pose or composition of the work seems to be a copy of another.

Here's the facts of the whole matter: If someone traces your artwork, or copies your composition, or takes your character and draws it for themselves, or recolours what you've drawn, or even if they take your artwork and paint a mustache on it and paste it up claiming it's theirs, that is _not_ art theft. Having a similar composition or pose is most definately not art theft, either. Art is the form of expression, nothing more and nothing less. There is no limits on what someone can or can't do when they wish to make an expression.

From a legal standpoint, you have nothing to work with either. Copyright litigation is a long, hard, and very expensive affair. If the defendant throws out the whole fair use/parody plea, your ship is sunk.

Finally, suppose someone does copy your artwork. I don't know about you, but I'd be flattered. That's telling me that someone likes what I do so much that they they're trying to imitate me. I should point out for the record here that I have had folks copy my art[1], for benevolent and flat-out mean reasons. I encourage them to continue because that's just another baby-step into the fun world of art.

Instead of attacking these individuals you see as a threat, why don't you positively encourage them to take the next step and attempt to be original? Art is all about growth and expression, and creating a vigilante club to go publicly humiliate these folks simply isn't the way to do it.


Footnotes:
[1] I love to draw and interperet the world around me. I don't copy other folk's work, if that's what you're wondering. And yes, people have taken my artwork and claimed it as their own. So what.
[2] I don't host any of my art on DA, yet. Perhaps I will, eventually. Right now I'm going to enjoy the anonymity.
Thank you for your notice and I do not take this as a flame whatsoever. However, this certain club has been created for most artist just have toknow that there are theives around us. This is made to try and convince people to avoid stealing other pieces. I understand your point about a wicth hunt But I assure you assure you that we are doing no such thing.

We simply want to let our members know about this theif and try to at least help ban the theif or just change the theif's point of view in stealing. Though sometimes, most of the times, our members get very nasty and that somehow causes them to get banned mementarily. We have stated a warning not to get to brutal in one of our jernal entries, but now I know I have to make it a little more strict. :nod:

Our journal entries may have been announcing these certain theives in a little brutal nature, so because of your notcie, we shall change our cource of language and make sure that our announcments are not very... "rude" (^^;)

Once again, thank you for this notice and I hope this reply will not cause conflicts of any kind.

Thank you.
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